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[BryanP]

Featured today on Daily Kos!

[olorin]

DO NOT QUESTION HIS PATRIOTISM!
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[Gavina]

I'd actually argue that looking down the barrel of a firearm, of any caliber, and pulling the trigger because you are under orders to do so, requires a level of moral insight greater than most of us have. Morally retarded would seem to indicate someone who is slow, or backward in his/her moral development. I haven't met a combat soldier/sailor/airman yet who would say, honestly, that warfare didn't trouble him or her. Even those who shut away the pain and don't think about the carnage once they come home, aren't morally retarded. Those are just the folks fighting for a way to deal. No, the real morally retarded are the people who criticize other's moral choices without ever having faced such a choice themselves. They are morally shallow, lacking the depth to realize that the very right which they espouse by their dissent was paid for by those they so naively disparage.

Thank God for the men and women who, throughout history, have awakened in the night screaming at the remembered horrors of warfare, but risen the next morning to go out once more and face the demons again.
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Gavina Andraste
If Fred Thompson had been at Thermopylae, the movie would have been called 1. Ron Paul wouldn't have been there at all.

[Gavina]

Also, need a link.
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Gavina Andraste
If Fred Thompson had been at Thermopylae, the movie would have been called 1. Ron Paul wouldn't have been there at all.

[olorin]

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/7/30/20446/8418

There you go Gavina
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[Iryss]

Not even close to featured today, or even recommended when it was new.

The link indicates with was written a week ago, and there's not a recommended tag on it.
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[Chamrox]

This is directed at the article snippit, because I didn't read the link:

What a fucking retard.

It's not like they're going out there and killing random people on the street. They're killing people that want to kill them, their families, their friends families, their friend's friend's families, and basically everyone that doesn't point to mecca and pray 5 times a day.

Morally retarded? What the fuck is this guy thinking? We're the ones killing the morally retarded.

Keep your chin up Bryan, don't let dumbasses like this rile you up. There's nothing morally wrong with killing a man to stop him from harming hundreds of others.
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[Fyro]

Disgusting.

I'd like to be able to say that I believe that this guy is an aberration, that most liberals would not agree with him, but I'm afraid he's one of the few who may have the courage to articulate what he believes "deep down". I hope I'm wrong.
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[Balor Gafdan]

Those people he's calling morally retarded, are giving him the ability to do so.

Either way, he's entitled to his moronic view of the American Soldier, we however, can inform him that his brain is jello and that he's stealing our O2 so he should really jump.
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[BryanP]

[Powad]

daily kill on sight?
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[olorin]

They are losing their damn minds over the surge getting good press. You'll see more attacks on troops by these nuts and the more "nuanced" ones will be attacking the political progress, even though we don't really have control over that anyway.
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[Exitio]

someone's been buying BillO's brand o' swill lately...
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[olorin]

LOL what is that supposed to mean? Isn't he for pulling out now anyway?
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"These and many other matters which might be noticed, add a volume of unofficial declarations to the mass of organic utterances that this is a Christian nation." -SCOTUS- Holy Trinity Church v. U.S. 1892

[Exitio]

O'Reilly has been frothing at the mouth for a couple weeks about all the crazy people on Dkos.. Saying that it's a den of hate speech and etc.

It's an open forum. That means that any idiot can write whatever they want. Just cause it's up there doesn't mean that anyone else on believes in what they're saying.
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"Difference of opinion leads to enquiry, and enquiry to truth; and that, I am sure, is the ultimate and sincere object of us both. We both value too much the freedom of opinion sanctioned by our Constitution, not to cherish its exercise even where in opposition to ourselves." --Thomas Jefferson to P. H. Wendover, 1815.

[olorin]

204 comments on that story and the vast majority of them supportive.
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"These and many other matters which might be noticed, add a volume of unofficial declarations to the mass of organic utterances that this is a Christian nation." -SCOTUS- Holy Trinity Church v. U.S. 1892

[Exitio]

500,000 visitors a day

I'm sure you could find 204 people who voted for David Duke.. what's your point?
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"Difference of opinion leads to enquiry, and enquiry to truth; and that, I am sure, is the ultimate and sincere object of us both. We both value too much the freedom of opinion sanctioned by our Constitution, not to cherish its exercise even where in opposition to ourselves." --Thomas Jefferson to P. H. Wendover, 1815.

[Galadren]

[RBPierce]

Exitio, it is an open board, of sorts (no conservatives allowed!). If there are 204 posts on the thread and the vast majority are supportive, than we can extrapolate that the vast majority of people who read the thread... supported it. Now, it could be that the title was such that only crazies deigned to read the thread. It could be that a bunch of non-crazies read it and decided not to respond. Do you think, given your experience with message boards, that either of those posits are likely?

The Daily Kos IS a den of hate speech and bile and vitriol.
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[Exitio]

Using your standard, so is this forum, and because of that, Larian should be publicly ridiculed, probably fired, and/or burned at the stake for allowing it to happen.

And all of us are bad people for posting here.

Conservatives can post there, there's nothing stopping them. The purpose of the site is to help elect democrats, though.
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"Difference of opinion leads to enquiry, and enquiry to truth; and that, I am sure, is the ultimate and sincere object of us both. We both value too much the freedom of opinion sanctioned by our Constitution, not to cherish its exercise even where in opposition to ourselves." --Thomas Jefferson to P. H. Wendover, 1815.

[Exitio]

Seriously though, how can you, being the rational person that you are, equate 204 people (that's .004% of the average number of daily visitors) commenting on a thread being supportive being indicative of EVERYONE who visits that site being supportive of it?
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"Difference of opinion leads to enquiry, and enquiry to truth; and that, I am sure, is the ultimate and sincere object of us both. We both value too much the freedom of opinion sanctioned by our Constitution, not to cherish its exercise even where in opposition to ourselves." --Thomas Jefferson to P. H. Wendover, 1815.

[RBPierce]

[hazimel]

[Rosaria]

I read KoS several times a week and sometimes post there. It gives me insight into the twisted mental meanderings of a fringe hate group buried within normalcy and I find it fascinating, much like I find most human aberrations fascinating. I also still go to Hamas and Hizbollah websites, and the Fatah Al Islam site is to die for - literally. There is a common thread among them all, and its intolerance and hatred.

They are all sisters under the skin.
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[Otara]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daily_Kos

Hehe.

Daily Kos was founded by Markos Moulitsas Zúniga (Kos from the last syllable of his first name) in 2002. In 2007 parent company Kos Media, LLC began a fellowship program to help fund a new generation of radical and hate-filled liberal activists. About a dozen contributing editors contribute content for the site, with 3-4 new editors being chosen from the Daily Kos community every year.

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Wonder how long it will last.

Otara
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[Iryss]

I find it rather hard to see how DKos could be considered a hate site. It's a partisan political blog. Yes, it has a few fringe crazies. So does MyDD, LGF, Free Republic, or any site affiliated with a strong viewpoint.

DKos also doesn't have a set system of admins, outside of Kos and his techies. The people that can troll rate a post are called trusted users, and they get this ability (much like /.) by having their comments uprated enough times by the community. Few accounts are actually banned outright by the admins. Most are deactivated due to too many troll ratings. So no, a staunch conservative won't last long on DKos, but it's not the place for them, either. It's very openly a Democratic blog dedicated to discussing Democratic/liberal issues and getting Democratic candidates elected.

Read the comments on a recommended diary sometime, or one on a front page post. Most of the ones on a controversial diary are a pie fight over a fringer getting piled on by mainstreamers.

Really. If you buy that DKos is a hate site, your grip on reality is obviously more than a touch loose.
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[Rosaria]

[Iryss]

Cindy's diaries were a great example. A lot of people supported her cause, but a lot of people did not like her methods. There was always a lively debate during a Cindy diary.

Cindy was challenging a Democratic candidate as an independent instead of via a primary...and the site's purpose is to elect a democratic candidate.
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[RBPierce]

[Iryss]

Not bullshit. Kos and his techies are the only outright admins with ban power. Read the FAQ. You probably got troll rated into oblivion.
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[RBPierce]

Irrys, if that's true then the "troll rating" is just a means for DKos users to weed out anyone who doesn't think like them- it is a community banning system. Whether the ban is by an admin, or by some loons who can't stand people who disagree with them and thus "troll rate" him, it is still in effect a ban for not being a liberal idealogue.

Says a lot about a community, doesn't it, that they are so threatened by dissenting ideas that they must exclude them?
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[Iryss]

Sorry RB, they aren't out to "get" dissenters...it's a gathering place for Democrats. You don't walk into a church and start preaching a different faith, nor would most Republicans show up at the local Democratic club looking to start a debate. I'm not sure why you expect different from the Internet equivalent just because it's on the internet.

If you're looking for a cross-partisan debate blog, go to Crossed Swords or something like it. DKos isn't meant for that. So really, it doesn't say a thing about the DKos community. Plenty of them (like myself) go to different areas for cross-party debate (like here). It says more things about you that you chose to break the rules of a site (read the FAQ) and thne bitch about them having the nerve to ban you for...breaking the rules of the site.
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[RBPierce]

Perhaps you should read the DKos FAQ, Iryss: "people of conservative views are welcome to come and debate".

The DKos is nominally a debate board. In fact, however, it is a debate board in which only one side are allowed to speak- liberals. Conservatives are banned. It DOES say a lot about the DKos community that the only way they can win a debate is to make sure no one speaks against them. You seem to be operating under the misunderstanding that the DKos is NOT a place for debate. The DKos's own documentation disagrees with you.
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[Gavina]

I got banned from DU and don't even bother with KoS anymore. You would think, though, that with a community stoning ...er.. banning.. policy that KoS would be able to eliminate the so called wacky-fringe instead of having bile, like that which was quoted, stirring up controversy.
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Gavina Andraste
If Fred Thompson had been at Thermopylae, the movie would have been called 1. Ron Paul wouldn't have been there at all.

[Iryss]

And nominally, a church is a place to go to discuss religion.

Frankly, RB, if you got banned, that means you had a lot of posts troll rated, and if you posted in the same manner there that you do here, I'm really not surprised.

But since you are stone set in your view, yes RB, the DKos site hateses those nasty conservatives and is out to get thems, especially you.

Feel better, snookums?
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[RBPierce]

"And nominally, a church is a place to go to discuss religion. "

To discuss religion? Yes. To debate? Not in most cases. Your apples must look orange.

I'm reporting the facts, Iryss- twice I went to the DKos, twice I posted moderate conservative responses to threads, and twice I was banned for it. Frankly, you are unable to accept that you could be wrong- that the DKos is a set of close-minded idealogues. I can't say that your position surprises me, sweetheart, as you are a DKosian yourself.

And you know I always feel better after talking with you- a pillar of enlightenment in our humble community
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[Otara]

"The majority of people posting here fall on the liberal side of the US political spectrum, however people of conservative views are welcome to come and debate. If you are polite, you will be treated politely. Unfortunately, there are some people who post comments or diaries with the sole purpose of provoking others. These people are called trolls. Some tips and techniques for dealing with trolls are described below."

Given this site here is the mecca for old trolls, I dont think anyone should be doing the 'well if I got banned they _cant_ be tolerant' thing.

We're not exactly the best people to use as a litmus test in my view.

Otara
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Science does not make it impossible to believe in God. It just makes it possible to not believe in God.

[RBPierce]

I think we all know how to appear innocuous, if we wish

I tell you what, would the board consent to an experiment? I'll make a new DKos account, make a post (with this board's input) and we can see how long it takes for the account to be banned. What do you say?
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[Balor Gafdan]

[RBPierce]

Started the signup process. I can't post comments for 24 hours, so we'll have ot table the experiment until tomorrow.
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[Lady Solinal]

Problem with this approach, Hoth. (And, this is the only thing I could figure out from Illy's comment about breaking the rules of their site)

You will be breaking their rules by making a new account since you have had an account banned their before. So, according to their rules, you will be banned.

Their rules say that banning is a punishment of the user, not the account.

So, someone else would have to do it. Not you.

Elie
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[RBPierce]

Already done it I'm using a different IP address and different username, so if they can tie my new account to the banned ones from several years ago, they'll have to be psychics.
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[Lady Solinal]

Indeed. heh

Elie
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[Rosaria]

This should be interesting, RB, good luck to you.
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[Fyro]

What are you going to post about? Ideas:

1. Make a post about the topic of this thread -- "Is DailyKOS intolerant toward Conservative Posters? Shouldn't we on DailyKOS invite debate instead of discouraging it?"

2. Make a post explaining that Hillary is the best Democrat candidate, because of the fact that she's the most moderate.


What is the purpose of the experiment? What idea is it going to "test"? That would probably be the most important thing to decide before determining a posting topic.
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[FriarDoodle]

Log in - check
Board speed > 1KB/Sec - check
Flame retardent suit on - check
Can of whipped cream - check

It is my most very, very, humble opinion that, for the most part, this board (all of us) does not debate. Rather we post in the hopes that someone will admit to our genius and berate themselves for ever possibly thinking something different from someone with the godlike intellect such as ourselves (Val - step in anytime with better prose than I could ever possible draft).

I have rarely seen posters (myself included) which seek to persuade, inform, or educate. The tone of most posts on this board is to beat you over the head with a stick until you admit defeat.

That is probably not the tone you want to take with your little experiment.

I will now go shoot meese (if the plural of goose is geese, the plural of moose must be meese).

Me.
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[hazimel]

agreed, i try not too but ta lot here i think are only reading other's posts looking for some statement that i can hold against them.. not to actually see what the point of the other person is.
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[RBPierce]

Your first suggestion sounds like a good one, unless there are any objections?

And Friar, I'd argue (and yes, I see the irony) that most of the time we ARE debating- we are not persuading or discussing. The problem is that we are ALL debators- we don't have an audience to persuade, and we are almost always sure that we are right, thus we rarely back down and hate to concede a point. There ARE some good back and forth discussions here- just usually not on the hot topics

Then again, maybe I'm just describing me
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[Gavina]

[Rosaria]